@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I'm just curious. Is this really sustainable on a long scale. Especially if we want "mainstream" to use Fediverse.
I personally hope that people can professionalize in the Fediverse and make a living out of it.
With the federated structure we finally have a way to counter the greed of single closed platforms. If someone starts enshitification, you can leave to a "competitor" at any time or do it yourself if you have the time and passion to.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
It depends on what is meant by sustainable and long scale. There are many instances that have been operating since 2017 (Mastodon only began in 2016) or similar.
There have been many commercial social networks which have come and gone in that time such as Post News and Hive, which were run by professionals. The commercial networks couldn't make enough money to please investors so they shut down. Whereas the non-professional Fedi just carried on as it didn't need to please investors.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place there are instances older than mastodon
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Right, organic grow has been a strong factor in why fedi is so pleasant. However, for now I mostly see sub cultures with a stronger affiliation to tech stuff.
And I feel like by now the growth has come to an end. I don't say the majority must use primary Fedi, I'm happy if it stays like it is, but I think the world would be better if everyone would do.
I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't think the mainstream will ever come to Fedi, without someone pulling them here. Maybe that's ok.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
"And I feel like by now the growth has come to an end."
Non-corporate platforms don't grow like corporate ones.
Commercial platforms try to grow quickly and unsustainably to please shareholders who are thinking about the next quarter's figures.
Fediverse growth happens differently:
1. Mass wave of new people
2. Wave dies down, many leave
3. More people stick around than before the wave, network has grown
This repeats over years and provides gradual but sustainable growth.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
"And I feel like by now the growth has come to an end."
Non-corporate platforms don't grow like corporate ones.
Commercial platforms try to grow quickly and unsustainably to please shareholders who are thinking about the next quarter's figures.
Fediverse growth happens differently:
1. Mass wave of new people
2. Wave dies down, many leave
3. More people stick around than before the wave, network has grown
This repeats over years and provides gradual but sustainable growth.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?
The Fediverse exist, it's a nice place. It doesn't need to grow to ensure it's existence. That's not my point.
I think society has a problem rooted in the marketing platforms some call "social media" and I think Fediverse is the best solution to this problem. But transferring the reasons why so many still use this platforms to Fedi, would perhaps need more possibilities to make money.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?
The Fediverse exist, it's a nice place. It doesn't need to grow to ensure it's existence. That's not my point.
I think society has a problem rooted in the marketing platforms some call "social media" and I think Fediverse is the best solution to this problem. But transferring the reasons why so many still use this platforms to Fedi, would perhaps need more possibilities to make money.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
"Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?"
I've been through so many waves on here and this sentiment gets repeated every time a wave dies down, and every time it's forgotten when a new bigger wave happens.
Look at this article from 2017 on "six reasons why Mastodon won't survive":
https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive
Mastodon now is far larger and more active than it was in 2017, but it's grown gradually so the media doesn't cover it as growing.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
"Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?"
I've been through so many waves on here and this sentiment gets repeated every time a wave dies down, and every time it's forgotten when a new bigger wave happens.
Look at this article from 2017 on "six reasons why Mastodon won't survive":
https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive
Mastodon now is far larger and more active than it was in 2017, but it's grown gradually so the media doesn't cover it as growing.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I sure hope you're right and the social problems don't start to accelerate faster than we could catch up, because I really want to be wrong about this.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I sure hope you're right and the social problems don't start to accelerate faster than we could catch up, because I really want to be wrong about this.
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
Yeah, that's a fair point. Things are getting really bad in the world π
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place
Yeah, that's a fair point. Things are getting really bad in the world π
Feyter
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