Christine Lemmer-WebberIn my previous thread/poll, and other places, I've had a lot of assertions about whether it's ethical for trans people to leave the US https://social.coop/@cwebber/114994588934133932
Let me put it this way: is it ethical right now for trans people to relocate within the US right now? Eg, is it ethical for trans people to leave Texas or Florida for a "safer" state.
Yes? Then I think it's ethical for people to choose to leave the US also.
spewI would go so far as to argue that anyone who is able to leave the usa has the moral obligation to do so in order to avoid paying the taxes that pay for things like ICE, genocide, etc.
Esslar2@cwebber@social.coop Paul Vasey, who has done tremendous research in Samoa and Oaxaca, Mexico on males who live as women said once that trans people from N. America would do well to live in either of these areas. In the societies there, men who live as women are highly integrated, even revered. The "fa'afafine" of Samoa think of themselves as neither male nor female but a "third sex" and this makes a lot of sense.
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I mean, in my opinion, it's always ethical for someone to move elsewhere. ESPECIALLY if they're a minority facing discrimination.
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Christine Lemmer-Webber"Is it ethical to leave" is a wholly different question than "is it the right decision to leave". You'll note that I haven't made any assertion that anyone should leave in these threads. I have asked whether people are interested in leaving, I have asserted that it's ethical to leave, and I have pointed to resources for those who wish to leave.
If it's ethical to leave a state, it's ethical to leave a nation-state.
Canageek@cwebber@social.coop I can't see any justification for it NOT to be ethical to leave.
Christine Lemmer-WebberSo now for whether you should leave.
I'm still not going to tell you.
However, I'll note that we're at the point now that most people I know will be pretty assertive: if you are trans and in Texas or Florida, "you need to get out of there". And many people I know are helping trans people leave those places for safer parts of the US.
The question is then, could the US as a whole get to the same point as Florida / Texas? Or worse?
Christine Lemmer-WebberWhat I will say is: at the moment that everyone comes to a conclusion that they should leave the US, I don't think if we look historically it will be very easy to do so, unless if you've been preparing in advance. Everyone's rushing to the exits, and you can't get out. Similar to when there was a run on toilet paper at the start of the pandemic. At that infliction point, people start panicking and it's impossible to take action for everyone.
Canageek@cwebber@social.coop I can't see any justification for it NOT to be ethical to leave.
Christine Lemmer-WebberSo now for whether you should leave.
I'm still not going to tell you.
However, I'll note that we're at the point now that most people I know will be pretty assertive: if you are trans and in Texas or Florida, "you need to get out of there". And many people I know are helping trans people leave those places for safer parts of the US.
The question is then, could the US as a whole get to the same point as Florida / Texas? Or worse?
Christine Lemmer-WebberWhat I will say is: at the moment that everyone comes to a conclusion that they should leave the US, I don't think if we look historically it will be very easy to do so, unless if you've been preparing in advance. Everyone's rushing to the exits, and you can't get out. Similar to when there was a run on toilet paper at the start of the pandemic. At that infliction point, people start panicking and it's impossible to take action for everyone.