p.s. Posting this because new people on other servers were asking if they needed to open an account on mastodon.social or move to mastodon.social. Answer to both is no 🙂
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Since you kindly offer to answer any questions: I chose to open my account on openbiblio.social. They have been offline since 26 December. I have since learned that was caused by their provider netcup who did not help to get anything fixed (paraphrasing the information here).
So how does one choose a server without knowing what kind of infrastructure they rely on? I'd never consiously chosen a US infrastructure.
@LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
OpenBiblio.social seems to be working here when I tried it just now, is it still not working at your end?
About choosing a server, I've got a site for non-technical people at http://fedi.garden where all the servers have promised to be compatible with the points at https://fedi.garden/about-this-site
For more technical people who want a longer non-curated list, try https://fedidb.com/servers (but there are no promises made on that site).
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services
Is there a reason why moderation against for example antisemitism or ableism isn't on the list of requirements?
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Thank you. I just checked, they have been back within the past hour but could only bring back content up to 19 November. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes despair with all technical infrastructure big and small 😭
@LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞
(e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )
What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.
@LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞 (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )
What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net It's possible to avoid it on ATproto, but it takes some extra steps. Mainly adding a rotation key for adversarial migration. Non-Bluesky platforms, relays, and PDSes would need to move to one of the major PLC mirrors if the collapse was big enough.
AP might become the same if the recent initiative to advance ActivityPods and C2S takes off.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.
I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.
@LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
Damn... that's awful, I can totally understand why you chose them, I would have done the same.
It's very odd they didn't have backups, are they definitely not going to have anything restored after November? 😞
@Kye@tech.lgbt @LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
You can't avoid this risk on any online platform, anything online could shut down or be misconfigured.
Also, ATProto isn't decentralised: https://plus.flux.community/p/banning-controversy-reveals-blueskys
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services Thank you 🥹
They have written that all data after that is irretrievable
(https://bibcourse.eu/t/https-openbiblio-social-down/284/51)
Being a massive believer in tech redundancy and secure storage of data and documentation this does rock my trust (as a non-tech person myself I rely on experts). I mean, if libraries lose data, what is safe in this world?
Of course in my case it is "only" social Media banter. Just after losing 90% of my Twitter mutuals that either stayed or chose Jack's Next Promise I feel strangely vulnarable for losing a community in a time of need. Again.
@LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net
Indeed, one would expect libraries to take archiving seriously!
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @LappenjammerDieZweite@social.vivaldi.net Has nothing to do with what I said. Aside from being wrong.
@Kye@tech.lgbt
If it's not decentralised then there's no meaningful migration.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I'm not interested in your weird anti-Bluesky tangent. Demonstrate you read and understood literally anything I actually said or go away.
@Kye@tech.lgbt
Um... you're the one replying to my thread?
Kind of weird to reply to someone and tell them to go away?
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services A mention of Bluesky exists but my comment isn't about Bluesky. If you bothered you read instead of go off on a weird ideological rant based on a single word you would know that. You made it about Bluesky.
Now buzz off.
@Kye@tech.lgbt
You can't reply to someone else's thread and tell them to buzz off, it makes no sense? 🙂
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