@julian@fietkau.social @FediTips@social.growyourown.services much of this could be solved if the “default server” for sign ups rotated….
@UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services My central point is about how rotating the default server solves none of this. 😞
Except the difficulty of deciding on a server.
I mean, what do we expect to happen when people forget their server name? Should the password reset process ask people whether they signed up during October or November?
@julian@fietkau.social @FediTips@social.growyourown.services I guess I feel like the main difficulty is the difficulty of deciding on a server when one cannot yet have any idea of the consequences of that decision…
beyond that, people understand that email can come from different providers, as can their sim card, as can their broadband as can they cable tv. I don’t see anything anything fundamentally more complicated in “remembering one’s server” beyond that that couldn’t be solved with appropriate explanation (“your server is your access provider, you will need to hold on to these details…”), but I could be missing something here…
@julian@fietkau.social @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org
"I mean, what do we expect to happen when people forget their server name?"
Speaking as someone who has actually provided tech support for this over the past 5 years, people can find the name of their server on the email they received when they signed up.
People cannot sign up without an email, and they always receive an email with the name of their server on it
This is not the massive barrier you are making it out to be. They can just check their email if they forget.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org The one time someone asked me how to figure out which Mastodon server they used to sign up, and then actually stuck with the conversation, I asked them to look up the email, and they told me they don't keep emails going back far enough. 😄
But yeah, it can work in principle.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org The one time someone asked me how to figure out which Mastodon server they used to sign up, and then actually stuck with the conversation, I asked them to look up the email, and they told me they don't keep emails going back far enough. 😄 But yeah, it can work in principle.
@julian@fietkau.social @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org
The notion of "server "is unknown for a random new user. How could they remember its name ?
@julian@fietkau.social @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org
The notion of "server "is unknown for a random new user. How could they remember its name ?
@prunelier@mastodon.social @julian@fietkau.social @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org
The new user will learn, the same way they learn the integral features on Twitter or Tiktok or Instagram or whatever. Those social networks are always adding new features that people didn't know before, but people get used to them.
Servers are an integral part of why the Fediverse exists. Without them, the Fedi has no reason to exist at all. It's better to explain them instead of trying to centralise the network.
@prunelier@mastodon.social @julian@fietkau.social @UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org
The new user will learn, the same way they learn the integral features on Twitter or Tiktok or Instagram or whatever. Those social networks are always adding new features that people didn't know before, but people get used to them.
Servers are an integral part of why the Fediverse exists. Without them, the Fedi has no reason to exist at all. It's better to explain them instead of trying to centralise the network.
Ulrike Hahn
Julian Fietkau
