@jackemled@furry.engineer
These aren't "servers" in any meaningful sense, they're just part of Bluesky corporation's centralised network which has control of who and what is banned or allowed.
AT Protocol only allows properly independent servers if they're running their own relay, which is very rare and much more difficult and expensive.
Blacksky apparently had to do a lot of work to break free from Bluesky, and even after that Bluesky was still able to delete a user from Blacksky.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services No, a PDS is a server. It stands for "personal data server". It runs its own data store for its own users & interfaces with a relay server to allow others to access that data & see its users' posts. Bluesky does not have control over PDSs that aren't hosted by them. ATProtocol relays are pretty heavy compared to a PDS, but the point is so people can more easily run a PDS for themselves. Anyone can run a relay too if they have the hardware for it, & a few do exist & are not under control of bluesky. We shouldn't be taking moderation action against other PDSs & other relays that are actually well run, only bsky.social & its relay, since those are the problem here & not anyone else.
I haven't heard of Blacksky, but if bluesky could delete a user from it, then that user's account must have been on bsky.social & not Blacksky's PDS.
@jackemled@furry.engineer
A PDS is nothing like a Fediverse server.
Fediverse servers are truly independent of each other and can communicate directly. No one controls a Fedi server except its owner.
PDSes cannot communicate with each other, they have to pass all their data through a relay and almost all PDSes are using Bluesky corporation's relay. So, PDSes are not independent the way Fediverse servers are.
"that user's account must have been on bsky.social"
No, it wasn't.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services This is comparable to adding *.net to your blocklist just because threads.net is unmoderated. Blocking an entire TLD because of one server doesn't make much sense, does it? Neither does blocking an entire protocol just because of one unmoderated PDS & relay.
Block posts from bsky.social, not anyone else unless they're also misbehaving.
@jackemled@furry.engineer
That's a ludicrous comparison, Bluesky is 99.9% running through Bluesky corporation's infrastructure. It is a de facto centralised platform controlled by a for-profit corporation that is owned by VC investors. Unless their structure and owners change, Bluesky are locked on the path to enshittification.
@jackemled@furry.engineer
That's a ludicrous comparison, Bluesky is 99.9% running through Bluesky corporation's infrastructure. It is a de facto centralised platform controlled by a for-profit corporation that is owned by VC investors. Unless their structure and owners change, Bluesky are locked on the path to enshittification.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I'm not defending bluesky. I think we should block bluesky. I also think we should not block the rest of the ATProtocol network though, because it has behaved well. I don't think you understand how ATProtocol works.
Looking at your post history, it seems like every time bluesky does literally anything you get butthurt about it, spread misinformation, & fail to understand ATProtocol. I can't tell if you're serious or trolling, but if you're serious, I think you should know that behavior like yours is why there aren't more people using fediverse. If you're trolling, please go outside & touch grass. I'm not going to continue this.
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services I'm not defending bluesky. I think we should block bluesky. I also think we should not block the rest of the ATProtocol network though, because it has behaved well. I don't think you understand how ATProtocol works.
Looking at your post history, it seems like every time bluesky does literally anything you get butthurt about it, spread misinformation, & fail to understand ATProtocol. I can't tell if you're serious or trolling, but if you're serious, I think you should know that behavior like yours is why there aren't more people using fediverse. If you're trolling, please go outside & touch grass. I'm not going to continue this.
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