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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services @tauon@possum.city I think you just provided the evidence.

Mastodon.social is run by a non profit organization while they have the burden to be host for "normal people". Mastodon is far from being popular enough for making a real social change in the world, but we already have instances struggling to handle the people.

So if people will not change their behavior, and the Fediverse will not change it's acceptance of commerciality, I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers.

Fedi.Tips
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services

@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

"I think you just provided the evidence"

I meant mastodon.social moderation is worse than smaller volunteer-based unpaid Mastodon instances.

"we already have instances struggling to handle the people."

It's mastodon.social that is struggling because it has too many people. Smaller instances are coping and taking on new members.

"I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers"

The more people join the Fedi, the more new Fedi servers get started. It scales up.

Feyter
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

@FediTips@social.growyourown.services what you're describing is the average fedi enjoyer use case. Small communities that have at least one techy person able to do this on volunteer basis (but normally being a tech affine community in the first place). I think there is a limited amount of people in the world for which this use case works out. I would even say, it's not the norm.

You can (and should) have multiple smaller commercially driven instances competing with each other for te rest. But they need to start somewhere.

Fedi.Tips
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services

@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

I do not see any actual evidence to show a need for commercially-driven instances?

The track record of commercial social networks is as bad as it can possibly be:

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/growth-at-any-cost-top-facebook-executive-defended-data

etc etc etc

"Small communities that have at least one techy person able to do this on volunteer basis"

You don't need to be techy to run an instance, paid managed hosting does all the techy stuff.

Feyter
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

@FediTips@social.growyourown.services playing for managed fedi instances is one business model.

The track records of commercial "social media" is as bad, because they are designed with walled garden principles, taking away the freedom of changing the supplier.

You are right. There is no need for commercial instances, but I also don't see why it couldn't add a benefit if it helps to break metas monopoly on communication.