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re(architecture specifically):

I thought about this some more and realized that e.g. museum exhibitions, playgrounds, interactive experiences such as escape rooms, are very much so built for the sake of the thing being built, and not as a means to an end. I think these things are unambiguously art.

if "engineering NAND art", then architecture can still be very much be art.

I was too focused on residential construction. which isn't necessarily art. that's not to say it isn't also art; because the point of this post is to ask whether that's art. when I say "isn't necessarily art" I just mean it's not as obvious to me that it should be art. I want to hear what others think about it.

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this also has implications for a lot of what I do. i think this question spawned in my head in this shape because I've been thinking about like. the purpose of everything I'm doing. and I don't mean that my entire self worth is based on the answer to this question; if what I do is mostly engineering and not really art, that isn't the end of the world for me. engineering is cool. I would be proud to be an engineer. but I'm also doing it all for fun. I'm doing "computer engineering" things as my form of art. I've written about this before, albeit with different terminology, but the idea is the same. in that sense, I guess I already know the answer. that yes, engineering is art.

so maybe the question I'm asking is imprecise. I'm mostly just curious about what the thing that isn't engineering can be called.

because it has a name, right?

I want to call it art.

but art is clearly broader than that. yes its a subset of art, but what is just this set of creations called.

does it even have a name?

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Is engineering art?

like, undoubtedly, there are engineers who make art with those skills. take Mark Rober, and e.g. his autonomous piano. there's no practical purpose to that; it's just cool and enjoyable. that's art.

I'm not trying to say engineers can't be artists. most are both. but is engineering distinct from art? or is it an artform?

by "engineering" I really mean here any kind of "means to an end" creation where the creation itself or the act of creation is not the actual reward.

for instance, most people just need a house to live in. so an architect designs the building and builders build it. an architect "draws" blueprints, but it's their job, and there's a clear purpose. drawing is usually considered an artform, but not all drawing is art. drawing a grid to align stuff on a wall also isn't necessarily art. I would say both of these are forms of engineering.

I would broadly classify most forms of creation into "engineering", which is usually to create a tool that is used for a purpose ("tool" also very broadly defined: a house is a tool that you live in), or "not engineering", something created for the inherent sake of it, that wasn't "necessary" for another purpose, but just enjoyable in and of itself.

another example, is in programming: if you are working a 9-to-5 job building a frontend for your sparkling water web store, you are building a "tool". that is engineering, you are paid to create a product to a specification. the website is just a means to an end, with the ends being sparkling water. users want to buy sparkling water from you.

on the other hand, game development is usually done for the sake of creating the game. users want to play the game, the actual thing you are working on, that is inherently enjoyable. this is less "engineering" to me. this is created for the sake of creation.

and with those examples, it might be tempting to call the "not engineering" disciplines "art". but this is a label that feels weird to assign precisely. it basically excludes the entire field of "building houses" from being art. which I feel like it totally can be.

but I'm not sure what else to call the "not engineering" disciplines. it feels like that's what art is. but I want engineering to also be art.

I'm not confused about the boundaries of this division between "engineering" and not. it feels pretty clear and intuitive to me. i just need help placing the label or "art" into this world view.

is it all art, or is engineering distinct from art?

is engineering art?