@gbargoud@masto.nyc @davoyager@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social Though Clinton's sexual exploits disgust me, the whole 'getting revenge for Nixon' vibe of the right was pretty sad. They impeached him over whether or not 'sexual relations' meant 'intercourse' or not; after six years of DESPERATELY trying to pin ANYTHING on him with regard to WhiteWater (which is such small potatoes compared with Trump's many scams as to be truly laughable now) The right's been blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt a LONG time.
@davoyager@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social @obscurestar@mastodon.social
I'm just amazed that there are people who keep getting elected to national positions in the democratic party who just let such blatant election theft slide.
They should have been primaried a quarter century ago and we're still dealing with their shit.
@gbargoud@masto.nyc @davoyager@mastodon.social @obscurestar@mastodon.social
I blame nonvoters
It's a feedback of alienation. Things suck, so they detach. So things suck more. Rinse repeat
I'm not letting leaders off the hook. But you can't change who they are. Meanwhile if people just fucking voted we could get rid of them
Someone might say "well you can't change nonvoters either." In that case we're just fucked. I don't accept that. So I prefer to hammer at the one thing we might be able to change:
Nonvoters, fucking vote already
@benroyce@mastodon.social @gbargoud@masto.nyc @davoyager@mastodon.social Yeah. I know how you feel but at the same time, shaming isn't a good tool for reaching people and helping them grow. Tends to re-enforce negative behaviors instead. Lest I become too much a purity troll myself, I try to lay my shaming of them aside so that I might focus on reaching them. It's just hard. I'd like to not be political too. If they could just see we are all the same light and let go of preconceptions, the right would not exist. It is made of fear.
@obscurestar@mastodon.social @gbargoud@masto.nyc @davoyager@mastodon.social
I understand what you're saying about shaming but I can't buy it
"I'm not voting because someone was mean on Mastodon" is ridiculous. The concept describes someone so emotionally addled they won't ever figure out how to coherently advocate for their own self-interests, nevermind all of our interests
So shaming of nonvoters is for everyone else reading along who aren't so incompetent
Respecting low emotional intelligence is not a path to anything constructive
@benroyce@mastodon.social @obscurestar@mastodon.social @gbargoud@masto.nyc @davoyager@mastodon.social people on mastodon often fail to understand that discourse has more than one purpose. conversations work on multiple levels.
1. you might convince the other person.
2. you might convince silent bystanders to speak up or take action.
3. the more people condemn an unacceptable viewpoint, the further that viewpoint is pushed from the window of acceptable discourse.
4. conversely, the more people share a good idea, the more dominant that idea becomes.
people will say that you will never achieve objective 1, so your conversation is pointless. this ignores objectives 2 through 4, which may actually be more important.
obscurestar
George B
