RE: https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/115937101960287352
Exactly. Pointing out that #Bluesky isn't practically decentralized yet is not a critique, it's a statement of the work they need to do. (and I wish them luck!)
Mastodon has its own demons to slay. No one is perfect here! We're just talking about how things should improve. I so don't want us to form a circular firing squad. We can all win.
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social @mike@thecanadian.social @mmasnick@mastodon.social
Feel like whenever this discussion is joined people start talking past each other.
It may be the case that the ATmosphere can be decentralized. And there may be small scale projects which test this potentiality. But the fact remains that it remains highly centralized.
Rob Ricci @ricci@discuss.systems has developed a metric to address this matter
https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/
The purpose is not to dump on #Bluesky, but rather to establish meaningful context for these discussions.
@scottjenson@social.coop once again going to ask that you say #ATProto and not Bluesky.
We’re trying. Like many distributed open source systems, this is bottoms up community work. Pointing at Bluesky-the-company erases our work.
It’s not Bluesky’s job, it’s the ecosystems job.
@boris@cosocial.ca @scottjenson@social.coop There’s been a great effort of talking about the Fediverse, and not just Mastodon.
https://jointhefediverse.net/ (among others)
But if we’re talking about Mastodon, there’s been an effort to offer different instances:
https://joinmastodon.org/ (directly from Mastodon)
You search “Join Fediverse” or “Join Mastodon”, and you get offered a choice.
What do you get when you search “Join Bluesky”? Or “Join ATmosphere”? (Didn’t know that was even a thing)
@dmian@mastodon.social @scottjenson@social.coop there’s a just kicking off UX research project (that Scott just became aware of) that is doing work on the best messaging for this.
Bluesky is one product but also a microblog data type (like ActivityPub Notes type that Mastodon and others implement).
You can choose your account host completely separate even from your app with ATProto, so it’s different.
@boris@cosocial.ca @dmian@mastodon.social @scottjenson@social.coop this is something that was designed into ActivityPub and has largely been ignored. We're doing a lot of work on it at the W3C SocialCG group.
https://github.com/swicg/activitypub-api/
Scott Jenson
Mastodon Migration
