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As I said, I voted for Harris in 2024.
I'm merely pointing out that the details matter. A blanket "refusing to vote is universally stupid" is a bad take, invented by liberals to project their inability to enfranchise people onto the very people they've failed to enfranchise.
I'm always very happy to talk about the details, and I tend to agree with you about this past year. But I don't begrudge Palestinian Americans who couldn't do it
@pjw@social.coop @screwturn@mastodon.social @carl@chaos.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
I'm sorry, but I believe in consequences and responsibility. If I, living 14.000 km away, could see plain as day that the consequences for Palestinians would be thousands of times worse if Trump won, they could too. The ethics of not voting are all fine, but they also get to live with the scorn and ill feeling of everyone their collective action affected.
Liberals can be ineffective and disenfranchising, and people can be utter fucking dumbasses, too.
@adriano@lile.cl @pjw@social.coop @screwturn@mastodon.social @carl@chaos.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
People like you are going to lead to a dem loss in 2028 if you don't learn the lesson, and it's a very, very simple one: You CANNOT have a pro-genocide party and get left-wing voters to come out and vote for you.
You have an opportunity because there will be a primary, and you can either join the chorus against AIPAC pro-genocide dems and kill their chances to win the primary, or you can pretend they already won and try to the same old failed threats.
@contrasocial@mastodon.social
who is this "you" that you expect to learn this lesson?
The "party" isn't a being, a creature, ... it doesn't learn.
Individual Left-wing voters need to wise the fuck up and vote harm-reduction, not self-importance.
As for now being no worse than Biden, gtfo
Look at the harm
@adriano@lile.cl @pjw@social.coop @carl@chaos.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
@screwturn@mastodon.social @adriano@lile.cl @pjw@social.coop @carl@chaos.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
You contradict yourself in the same sentence. You're saying left-wing voters need to "wise up" (i.e. learn a lesson) and vote genocide for their own self-interest.
This argument is tired and done with. People are done voting for evil, it doesn't matter how many condescending bows you tie it up in. The fact that you're talking this way before there's even been a primary tells me that you're being disingenuous about your goal here.
@contrasocial@mastodon.social @screwturn@mastodon.social @adriano@lile.cl @pjw@social.coop @carl@chaos.social
on the contrary, by not voting and therefore helping trump win, because of our fptp voting system, this is how left-wing types are voting for genocide
and if you respond "BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" on the issue of gaza you are expressing a vast ignorance on the issue beyond all serious consideration
never mind all the other issues you should care about, but don't give any voice or concern for. which is also deeply unserious
pjw
Adriano
