Brutkey

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It's rather weird still encountering people, as I have recently, who think "teaching Democrats a lesson" is more important than {gestures broadly}

It's also extremely entitled

That the bad effects of the Trump administration won't affect them

(Or, rather than entitlement, extremely fucking stupid to think it won't effect them.)

Raul Portales
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@benroyce@mastodon.social @mmalc@mastodon.social @HamonWry@mastodon.world @Strandjunker@mstdn.social I think it's much deeper than just idealism, having 2 choices and having to choose something you disagree with because the other option is... well, unacceptable is a rotten system.

We've seen how a two party system keeps shifting right. Eventually your options will be just far right or farther right.


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yes but you have cause and effect backwards

it's not "this shifts right, so i won't participate"

it's "i'm not participating" and then as a consequence, things shift right

it's a feedback loop that accelerates

the only solution is more participation

you're never going to get perfect, it will always suck in some ways

but if you hold your nose and participate you can iterate on that and proceed left

in fact, that's the only way it will ever happen

Raul Portales
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@benroyce@mastodon.social @mmalc@mastodon.social @HamonWry@mastodon.world @Strandjunker@mstdn.social IMHO a solution is to have more parties, and someone to dares to do far left

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100% no

clarification: i want 3rd parties

but to have them, we need ranked choice voting

currently in the usa we have an FPTP voting system

what that means is if we were to add a new 3rd left party, we divide the left, and we guarantee MAGA wins

we need ranked choice first. so we need to get candidates that support that

that has to come first. without that, we are guaranteeing failure

the left has to take over the democratic party

it is the only way

Raul Portales
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@benroyce@mastodon.social @mmalc@mastodon.social @HamonWry@mastodon.world @Strandjunker@mstdn.social I love in Europe, our political party and voting system is quite different, it also changes from country to country πŸ€·β€β™€οΈπŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Right

so a general comment for Europeans:

what you need to do is not comment on the American voting system if you don't understand it

many of you speak of a solution: 3rd party

but we're not parliamentary

we're FPTP

which means 3rd party divides the left and hands MAGA more wins

You don't want that

But that's what you get

Please Europeans:

understand our voting system is completely fucked up

we need to change our system before getting 3rd parties

klegdixal
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From a European that understands your electoral system – your system is indeed truly fucked. I'd say problems that need addressing first are gerrymandering and transparency of campaign financing.
Then, before deciding whether you'd rather use FPTP, STV or say D'Hondt, you'd have to reconsider the average district magnitude.
At the moment average population of an electoral district on a federal level is over .75M
It takes a lot of resources – money and connections to campaign in a district of this size. OTOH if you'd reduce the average size to say more manageable 100k you'd have 3400 people in Congress.