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Kingsley Bugarin PLY OAM 🇦🇺
@kingsleybugarin@social.vivaldi.net

@markvonwahlde@mastodon.world

I'll assume you just had an English comprehension brainfart (and aren't a shitlib or troll) and reiterate my point;

"Russia has been waging war against Europe for some time with its guerilla attacks on infrastructure. European "leaders" are all just too spineless to admit it because then they would have to respond."

Europe needs to respond and aid Ukraine properly with military power now while Russia is weak.

Or maybe we can just appease Russia by pressuring Ukraine to hand over land in return for a ceasefire.

Then in a decade or two Europe can face war with a rearmed and emboldened Russia.

Wouldn't that be wonderful?

@gimulnautti@mastodon.green

Mark vW
@markvonwahlde@mastodon.world

@kingsleybugarin@social.vivaldi.net @gimulnautti@mastodon.green I thought you were asserting that NATO personnel should take a direct role in killing Russians. That is an unambiguous act of war. If you were not asserting that NATO personnel should engage in such an act of war, then my apologies.

Kingsley Bugarin PLY OAM 🇦🇺
@kingsleybugarin@social.vivaldi.net

@markvonwahlde@mastodon.world

Russia has already committed acts of war against Europe by attacking European infrastructure but European "leaders" won't acknowledge it.

I don't want European soldiers on the front lines but European air support for Ukrainian soldiers is a must and yes that will involved killing Russian soldiers.

NATO would never fight a ground war without air superiority and air support. But Ukraine has had to do it for over 3 years.

Europe has to get serious about stopping Russian aggression now or it will only get much worse in future.

Maybe Europe should resolve to get involved and then give Putin 24 hours to begin a full withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory or face absolute defeat. It can't be a bluff though.

The response to the Crimean and Donbas invasions was weak and emboldened Putin to come back in 2022 to try to take the rest of Ukraine.

If Putin's concern were really "Russian security" it would be best served by every bordering country being in NATO. Any NATO member that unilaterally attacks Russia can't claim article 5 because they are the aggressor. Putin isn't stupid. He knows this.

But Putin opposes Eastern Europe being in NATO because it also protects those countries from his territorial fever dreams.

@gimulnautti@mastodon.green

Mark vW
@markvonwahlde@mastodon.world

@kingsleybugarin@social.vivaldi.net @gimulnautti@mastodon.green You proclaim the need for the "absolute defeat" of Russia. That means infantry occupying Russia. Ukraine has neither the resources nor the inclination for that. This "absolute defeat" could never happen without allied troops on the "front lines." Yet you disclaim any interest in NATO troops on the "front lines."

There will be no absolute defeat of Russia. Withdrawal from all the occupied areas followed by an uneasy peace with untrustworthy Russia is the goal.