cannot resolve symbol "rat"Let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment. The thing that 99% of computer users want is something that looks like Windows 7 or XP (or Mac equivalent) and that never changes. Nobody cares or wants to know what happens under the hood, they just want to Do Computer and they want to do it in a way that is comfortable and *doesn't fucking change all the time*
Buttered Jorts@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus @gwynnion@mastodon.social let me offer a small, personal addendum:
That only changes through small, non-intrusive improvements (e.g. the Windows Clipboard History, iOS speech-to-text keeping the keyboard open for edits). If you wanna make my computing experience better, please. But first, do no harm.
tsk@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus I've been telling Linux advocates this literally for decades. They laugh at people who "can't handle a little hopscotch between GUIs". Learn Linux one day, feel lost on Linux the next.
But it is a little bit fun that Windows lost the smartphone market and panicked by making Win 8 all smartphone-y. Make everything slllliiiiddde. 😂
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:failtusk: :CApride:@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus that's why I use Star dock…
@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus Oh god we used to have this argument all the time with corporations who wanted "don't change anything, but fix all the security holes, and add drivers for the new CPUS and ... and .. and .. but don't change anything"
I can still build and run Gnome 1.x on a current Linux machine and it'll look and run exactly like Gnome 1.x and it's umm horrible just like Windows XP was.
Graham Sutherland / Polynomial@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus what I want is the underlying system/kernel features of Windows 11 (thread scheduler tuned for modern highly-parallel hardware, processor groups, NUMA aware allocation, job sandboxing / mandatory integrity control, modern exploit mitigations and security controls, native virtualisation support, SMB3.1 + Direct RDMA, UMDF/WDF drivers, virtual desktop compositor, modern BCD + bitlocker feature set) with a reliable and cohesive front-end user experience like Windows 7.
Different Drummer@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus Allegedly there is an ex-Microsoft employee developing a Linux version that looks and acts like Windows for just such an audience. It would be nice if it became available by October, but I don't even know what they're calling it yet.
Bruce_Ak@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus while I recognise that sentiment I’d put it as less than 50% of people. And of course all the money comes from the upgrade cycle
Edge@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus
Jumping up and down, pointing at the screen. For so many the computer is simply a tool to do the things people want/need to do, not something that needs to enhance 100 times a year.
Ditto, I'm afraid, with much software.
_mcbride@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus also people who very very much know and care what happens under the hood would like it to change less: https://hachyderm.io/@robpike/114984036833324774
TommyTorty10@rolenthedeep@rattodon.nexus hot take, id be more appreciative of changes if they were really radical. Every computer has at least 4 cpu cores and some integrated graphics processing nowadays, so why not build a desktop environment that's literally a 3d mind palace you can walk thru like a game? Is it a good way to organize things for office work? No, and Im sure that's part of why the same office metaphors have stuck for so long.
Truly hot take
I have a little bit of respect for windows 8 for trying something in trying to make an os with consistent ui for both tablets and pcs. It failed in every regard, but i honestly think that if they had eliminated the traditional desktop entirely and forced themselves to make the new one work well without any fallbacks or cheats, then it could have been ok.
tsk@DifferentDrummer@syzito.xyz It has to do more than look like Windows on the surface. It has to provide discoverability for a rich set of features in the GUI, and do it consistently over time and from PC to PC. With Linux, you never know what UI you're going to get and just try working a remote support role like that where you're trying to guide novice users through the DE flavor of the month.
tsk@DifferentDrummer@syzito.xyz It has to do more than look like Windows on the surface. It has to provide discoverability for a rich set of features in the GUI, and do it consistently over time and from PC to PC. With Linux, you never know what UI you're going to get and just try working a remote support role like that where you're trying to guide novice users through the DE flavor of the month.